Catalina - Capri - 25s International Assocaition Logo(2006)  
Assn Members Area · Join
Association Forum
Association Forum
Home | Profile | Register | Active Topics | Forum Users | Search | FAQ
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

 All Forums
 Catalina/Capri 25/250 Sailor's Forums
 General Sailing Forum
 Mariah
 New Topic  Reply to Topic
 Printer Friendly
Author  Topic Next Topic  

bigelowp
Master Marine Consultant

Member Avatar

USA
1555 Posts

Initially Posted - 04/04/2021 :  06:59:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just some musings . . . .

This is more for those living in the northeast US, however may pertain to other areas as well. Having lived in the same area for most of my life, and not being a spring chicken, I cannot remember a year with as many "gale warnings" or 'Small Craft Advisory's" as this one. In fact since December 1 there have been 63 days with such advisory/warnings on western Long Island Sound! Tomorrow yet another. Equally, my little neighborhood has lost many large "specimen" trees over the past six months because of the winds. So, call it global warming or whatever my concern is ---- if this keeps up what will this summer sailing conditions be?

Maybe I need to invest in a storm trysail!

Peter Bigelow
C-25 TR/FK #2092 Limerick
Rowayton, Ct
Port Captain: Rowayton/Norwalk/Darien CT

Voyager
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
4700 Posts

Response Posted - 04/09/2021 :  22:11:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Pete, I agree, being right up the pike from you. We’ve had plenty of gales and high wind warnings in a season — Dec to Mar — when we get most of our windy days. In addition to the winds felling trees, the trees themselves appear to be more diseased than ever before with invasive bug species like woolly adelgids killing hemlocks, ash borer beetles taking down 4 huge ash trees in my yard and something else killing my white pine trees.
Summertime hereabouts usually has the least windy days. Long Island Sound usually sees winds that are SW @ 5-10 kts from June 1 to mid-September. Occasionally, with the passage of a cold front we’ll get NW @20 with gusts to 30. Or winds associated with thunderstorms. Hopefully shorten sail at those times.
Might be a good idea to have a staysail handy for those windier days.

Bruce Ross
Passage ~ SR-FK ~ C25 #5032

Port Captain — Milford, CT
Go to Top of Page

islander
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
3807 Posts

Response Posted - 04/10/2021 :  04:08:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ok so I'm not alone in thinking there are an unusual amount of high wind days lately.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound


Go to Top of Page

Stinkpotter
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

Djibouti
8652 Posts

Response Posted - 04/11/2021 :  19:06:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So Peter, are you thinking you'll go out in those gales, or just have to unexpectedly get back in?

When delivering our "new" C-25 from Mystic down to Darien, we watched a big front approach, and heard NOAA warnings of 75+ winds on the sound... We rolled up the genny and dropped the main as we motored toward the CT River and grabbed a mooring in North Cove at Old Saybrook just before it hit, blowing tree branches into onto the boat. For us, as brand new owners, "tucking and running" was the only option. That never really changed... For anyone 12 hours (or a week) from shelter, it's a different story--storm trysail, triple reef,... We were not going to be one of them (and clearly didn't have the boat for it either).

Hopefully the battle between the heat and the cold will subside, and summer will be calmer--often too calm on western Long Island Sound...

Dave Bristle
Association "Port Captain" for Mystic, CT
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, ex-USCG-OUPV
Now on Eastern 27 Sarge (but still sailing when I can).

Passage, Mystic, and Sarge--click to enlarge.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 04/11/2021 19:10:00
Go to Top of Page

bigelowp
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
1555 Posts

Response Posted - 04/12/2021 :  06:27:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Definitely will not knowingly be heading out in them, but does add concern that weather could change faster and to more severe than has been usual in the past. Over the years have done my fair share of "Tucking and running" and am not ashamed to continue doing the same in the future!

Peter Bigelow
C-25 TR/FK #2092 Limerick
Rowayton, Ct
Port Captain: Rowayton/Norwalk/Darien CT
Go to Top of Page

Stinkpotter
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

Djibouti
8652 Posts

Response Posted - 04/12/2021 :  11:41:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I call putting safety ahead of everything else, especially appearances, "Seamanship". There will always a nicer time to go out, or another chance to sail back to the mooring or marina, or another day to race...

Peter, you remember the fateful race on a Sunday out of Noroton Yacht Club in Darien, when the forecasts starting at least three days earlier were for a major, violent front on that day, and the western sky turned greenish-black (the worst sign!) over an hour before it arrived. I happened to be in Greenwich when I saw that sky, and drove back to Darien to button up our boat at the dock. It was then that I saw the racers returning to the club just as it hit--shocking! I didn't know until later what happened out there--it was the ultimate shame.

Dave Bristle
Association "Port Captain" for Mystic, CT
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, ex-USCG-OUPV
Now on Eastern 27 Sarge (but still sailing when I can).

Passage, Mystic, and Sarge--click to enlarge.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 04/12/2021 11:49:42
Go to Top of Page

Voyager
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
4700 Posts

Response Posted - 04/12/2021 :  17:50:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The same thing happened to a friend at Cedar Point Yacht Club (Westport, CT) in June 2019. The forecast for Sunday morning was expected to be partly cloudy with a chance of T’storms. Allofasudden, a backdoor cold front appeared and a squall line developed while the sailors were racing around the buoys. They were a mile or so offshore, so had no safe harbor within easy reach.
Most of the boats suffered some damage, one or two were swamped and another one sunk.
Here’s the link for the incident:
Storm
Pictures and everything. I was driving around that day and believe me, I was glad I hadn’t gone sailing. It was a hellacious 20 minutes.
Go to Top of Page

bigelowp
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
1555 Posts

Response Posted - 04/13/2021 :  13:16:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dave: Sure do remember that day and race. The gentleman -- Sam Dorrance -- who perished was a VERY experienced sailor. That front hit like a freight train. Back in the early 90s I was out in my 19 ft sailboat when a similar front came through. I was heading in but still had a heck of a time securing to the mooring. Those events have been rare, I just hope they stay that way!

Peter Bigelow
C-25 TR/FK #2092 Limerick
Rowayton, Ct
Port Captain: Rowayton/Norwalk/Darien CT
Go to Top of Page

Stinkpotter
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

Djibouti
8652 Posts

Response Posted - 04/13/2021 :  14:48:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Granted, they didn't have weather radar on iPhones in 1997, but three days broadcast notice, and over an hour of clear, visual warning out on the water! Then all hell broke loose--just as it was expected to. Experienced or not, both Sam (as skipper) and the Noroton Yacht Club were jointly and blatantly responsible for his death.

Something like it happened to us in May of 2000, without the forecast but with a NOAA warning and the visual when we were halfway from Mystic to Mattituck, LI. We just got the second mooring pennant on the cleat in Old Saybrook when the dead air turned to hurricane force in seconds.

Dave Bristle
Association "Port Captain" for Mystic, CT
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, ex-USCG-OUPV
Now on Eastern 27 Sarge (but still sailing when I can).

Passage, Mystic, and Sarge--click to enlarge.
Go to Top of Page

bigelowp
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
1555 Posts

Response Posted - 04/14/2021 :  13:59:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bruce: interesting feed. I had either not known or forgotten about the Cedar Point incident. While not knowing the sailors, small world that I do know who took the pictures. Atlantics are beautiful but carry lots of canvas.

Peter Bigelow
C-25 TR/FK #2092 Limerick
Rowayton, Ct
Port Captain: Rowayton/Norwalk/Darien CT
Go to Top of Page

Voyager
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
4700 Posts

Response Posted - 04/14/2021 :  14:42:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Peter, it’s a small world. You know the photographer.
My mother-in-law’s visiting nurse is a member at Cedar Point and she and her partner were sailing that morning on another class of boats at the club. They had just finished racing and were cleaning up safely at the docks when the weather hit. She was very glad that they weren’t out on the water.

Bruce Ross
Passage ~ SR-FK ~ C25 #5032

Port Captain — Milford, CT
Go to Top of Page
   Topic Next Topic  
 New Topic  Reply to Topic
 Printer Friendly
Jump To:
Association Forum © since 1999 Catalina Capri 25s International Association Go To Top Of Page
Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.06
Notice: The advice given on this site is based upon individual or quoted experience, yours may differ.
The Officers, Staff and members of this site only provide information based upon the concept that anyone utilizing this information does so at their own risk and holds harmless all contributors to this site.